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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3985</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OrangeBottles blogger hasn&#039;t taken down the blog&#039;s companion MySpace page, but she&#039;s changed the screen name, from Tina Ballerina to Sassy Lopez.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OrangeBottles blogger hasn&#8217;t taken down the blog&#8217;s companion MySpace page, but she&#8217;s changed the screen name, from Tina Ballerina to Sassy Lopez.</p>
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		<title>By: Wow Za</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3984</link>
		<dc:creator>Wow Za</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a casual mnspeak reader (never participate) and I followed a comment&#039;s suggestion to head over and read this thread. I made it through all the comments and then went back over to mnspeak only to find the original post that referenced this specific thread was deleted. It gives a lot of credibility to what people here are saying about mnspeak&#039;s censorship. I&#039;m surprised and disappointed because I didn&#039;t want to believe that was the case. What a let down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a casual mnspeak reader (never participate) and I followed a comment&#8217;s suggestion to head over and read this thread. I made it through all the comments and then went back over to mnspeak only to find the original post that referenced this specific thread was deleted. It gives a lot of credibility to what people here are saying about mnspeak&#8217;s censorship. I&#8217;m surprised and disappointed because I didn&#8217;t want to believe that was the case. What a let down.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3983</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today at Mnspeak, Vlad, a regular there, asked other Mnspeakers to fill him in on what became of the OrangeBottles blog (which has been referred to here in this Metroblogger thread).

When anybody tried to post info about that, moderator Max did his best to block that.

But here&#039;s info that did manage to remain posted briefly, until Max deleted it:

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As the OrangeBottles blog gained momentum, new readers were naively accepting that it was non-fiction, and would rave about it. Which prompted more-aware observers to chime in dismissively, pointing out that the whole thing was fictional.

Once the word was getting out that it was fictional, then naturally people were getting curious about who was behind the stunt. (As in the much more famous Plain Layne hoax, from a few years ago, which Mnspeak founder Rex wrote about in detail, for City Pages.) Their eagerness to unmask the blogger was increased by the obvious delight the blogger was taking in fooling many readers.

Discussions about the blogger&#039;s identity occurred on various message boards, including MnSpeak.

It didn&#039;t take long for the pieces to be put together on the blogger&#039;s identity. Because many of her friends and fans, in lauding her, would mention both her earlier, non-fictional, blog&#039;s name (Hookers-something-stilts) and the new (OrangeBottles-something) name, and also in some cases mentioning her real name. 

As was to be expected, as soon as she could no longer remain anonymous, the blogger abruptly took down the blog&#039;s contents. And gave up her blogging URL at Blogspot. (Then a sleazy PR-guy in the porn industry immediately snapped up that abandoned URL, as a way to steer traffic to his sites.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today at Mnspeak, Vlad, a regular there, asked other Mnspeakers to fill him in on what became of the OrangeBottles blog (which has been referred to here in this Metroblogger thread).</p>
<p>When anybody tried to post info about that, moderator Max did his best to block that.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s info that did manage to remain posted briefly, until Max deleted it:</p>
<p>-</p>
<p>As the OrangeBottles blog gained momentum, new readers were naively accepting that it was non-fiction, and would rave about it. Which prompted more-aware observers to chime in dismissively, pointing out that the whole thing was fictional.</p>
<p>Once the word was getting out that it was fictional, then naturally people were getting curious about who was behind the stunt. (As in the much more famous Plain Layne hoax, from a few years ago, which Mnspeak founder Rex wrote about in detail, for City Pages.) Their eagerness to unmask the blogger was increased by the obvious delight the blogger was taking in fooling many readers.</p>
<p>Discussions about the blogger&#8217;s identity occurred on various message boards, including MnSpeak.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t take long for the pieces to be put together on the blogger&#8217;s identity. Because many of her friends and fans, in lauding her, would mention both her earlier, non-fictional, blog&#8217;s name (Hookers-something-stilts) and the new (OrangeBottles-something) name, and also in some cases mentioning her real name. </p>
<p>As was to be expected, as soon as she could no longer remain anonymous, the blogger abruptly took down the blog&#8217;s contents. And gave up her blogging URL at Blogspot. (Then a sleazy PR-guy in the porn industry immediately snapped up that abandoned URL, as a way to steer traffic to his sites.)</p>
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		<title>By: Erica M</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3982</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmm....

I&#039;m weaning myself from the comments there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m weaning myself from the comments there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3981</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today at MnSpeak the fruitless political arguing again got way out of control.

So then a regular, MunsingW, very reasonably asked that commenters there stick to the standard of not engaging in the same old polarized debating. And also, staying on-topic: meaning, focusing on truly local aspects. (It&#039;s MNspeak, not USAspeak, after all).

Next, another commenter copied and pasted the commenting guidelines from the Minnesota Monitor website, which are very good, and very much in keeping with MunsingW&#039;s sensible suggestions.

Immediately afterward, one of the regular conservative trolls at MnSpeak howled in protest, about such standards. (Of course! Under such standards, most of his usual sorts of commenting would be subject to immediate deletion.)

A short time later, moderator Max deleted those copied-and-pasted suggested guidelines for commenting.

That&#039;s MnSpeak for ya&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today at MnSpeak the fruitless political arguing again got way out of control.</p>
<p>So then a regular, MunsingW, very reasonably asked that commenters there stick to the standard of not engaging in the same old polarized debating. And also, staying on-topic: meaning, focusing on truly local aspects. (It&#8217;s MNspeak, not USAspeak, after all).</p>
<p>Next, another commenter copied and pasted the commenting guidelines from the Minnesota Monitor website, which are very good, and very much in keeping with MunsingW&#8217;s sensible suggestions.</p>
<p>Immediately afterward, one of the regular conservative trolls at MnSpeak howled in protest, about such standards. (Of course! Under such standards, most of his usual sorts of commenting would be subject to immediate deletion.)</p>
<p>A short time later, moderator Max deleted those copied-and-pasted suggested guidelines for commenting.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s MnSpeak for ya&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3980</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sorry for the duplicate commenting. I couldn&#039;t tell that the first one had gone through successfully, because my computer screen locked up after I clicked on &quot;Post&quot;. Erica, feel free to delete the duplicate comment plus this one.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sorry for the duplicate commenting. I couldn&#8217;t tell that the first one had gone through successfully, because my computer screen locked up after I clicked on &#8220;Post&#8221;. Erica, feel free to delete the duplicate comment plus this one.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3979</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example of what to not let any discussion forum become, take a look at the commenting today at MnSpeak. 500+ comments in the past 24 hours. And nearly all of it is total garbage, spewed forth by the same dozen-or-so regulars. Mostly pointless arguing from polarized political extremes. And what does the moderator, Max, do about it? He eagerly joins in on that.

Yesterday, when that sort of thing started to happen, someone spoke up about steering the discussion back to the thread&#039;s original, locally-focused, topic. For a while afterward, things got better (with no help from Max); when they got out-of-hand again and the person spoke up again about that, Max deleted that person&#039;s comment. 

Today Aaron commented that he&#039;s disgusted enough to be about ready to remove MnSpeak as one of his RSS feeds.

MnSpeak has sunk down to being only a half-step superior to CraigsList rants-n-raves.

Max continues to show himself to be an inconsistent, surly, and very ineffective moderator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example of what to not let any discussion forum become, take a look at the commenting today at MnSpeak. 500+ comments in the past 24 hours. And nearly all of it is total garbage, spewed forth by the same dozen-or-so regulars. Mostly pointless arguing from polarized political extremes. And what does the moderator, Max, do about it? He eagerly joins in on that.</p>
<p>Yesterday, when that sort of thing started to happen, someone spoke up about steering the discussion back to the thread&#8217;s original, locally-focused, topic. For a while afterward, things got better (with no help from Max); when they got out-of-hand again and the person spoke up again about that, Max deleted that person&#8217;s comment. </p>
<p>Today Aaron commented that he&#8217;s disgusted enough to be about ready to remove MnSpeak as one of his RSS feeds.</p>
<p>MnSpeak has sunk down to being only a half-step superior to CraigsList rants-n-raves.</p>
<p>Max continues to show himself to be an inconsistent, surly, and very ineffective moderator.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3978</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example of what to not let any discussion forum become, take a look at the commenting today at MnSpeak. 500+ comments in the past 24 hours. And nearly all of it is total garbage, spewed forth by the same dozen-or-so regulars. Mostly pointless arguing from polarized political extremes. And what does the moderator, Max, do about it? He eagerly joins in on that.

Yesterday, when that sort of thing started to happen, someone spoke up about steering the discussion back to the thread&#039;s original, locally-focused, topic. For a while afterward, things got better (with no help from Max); when they got out-of-hand again and the person spoke up again about that, Max deleted that person&#039;s comment. 

Today Aaron commented that he&#039;s disgusted enough to be about ready to remove MnSpeak as one of his RSS feeds.

MnSpeak has sunk down to being only a half-step superior to CraigsList rants-n-raves.

Max continues to show himself to be an inconsistent, surly, and very ineffective moderator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example of what to not let any discussion forum become, take a look at the commenting today at MnSpeak. 500+ comments in the past 24 hours. And nearly all of it is total garbage, spewed forth by the same dozen-or-so regulars. Mostly pointless arguing from polarized political extremes. And what does the moderator, Max, do about it? He eagerly joins in on that.</p>
<p>Yesterday, when that sort of thing started to happen, someone spoke up about steering the discussion back to the thread&#8217;s original, locally-focused, topic. For a while afterward, things got better (with no help from Max); when they got out-of-hand again and the person spoke up again about that, Max deleted that person&#8217;s comment. </p>
<p>Today Aaron commented that he&#8217;s disgusted enough to be about ready to remove MnSpeak as one of his RSS feeds.</p>
<p>MnSpeak has sunk down to being only a half-step superior to CraigsList rants-n-raves.</p>
<p>Max continues to show himself to be an inconsistent, surly, and very ineffective moderator.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3977</link>
		<dc:creator>chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all just ones and zeros, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all just ones and zeros, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica M</title>
		<link>http://minneapolis.metblogs.com/2007/08/27/stop-stealing-links/comment-page-2/#comment-3976</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I hate to be that guy&lt;/em&gt;

Oh, go ahead. You&#039;ve got a point there, but I would say...

1. If you think there&#039;s room for improvement, how about if you join up and contribute?

2. Los Angeles is a different (and waaay bigger) market. Metroblogging LA kicks both of our asses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I hate to be that guy</em></p>
<p>Oh, go ahead. You&#8217;ve got a point there, but I would say&#8230;</p>
<p>1. If you think there&#8217;s room for improvement, how about if you join up and contribute?</p>
<p>2. Los Angeles is a different (and waaay bigger) market. Metroblogging LA kicks both of our asses.</p>
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